On Batman Dark Knight after a 2nd viewing.
Just saw Dark Knight for second time. Observations. Still have presentation issues re some scenes re an youth audience. Not sure aud will get "value" messages when messenger behaves like the villainry. Batman's "one rule" is somewhat a semantics mote point.., when general methods used could well cause a violation of it. For example how Batman makes an head-on "appearance" could incur casualties (and it's fairly brainless, ok you have the element of surprise, but you are pretty well heavily outnumbered everytime). In this movie, he also boils over with excessive force. He does appear to understand he's going overboard, but then afterwards goes more overboard. In the density of (often too)fast paced plot and action stuff, the sequence of events becomes unclear.., still not sure when exactly Dawes gives Alfred her letter, so I'm not clearly sure how arrives at her statements in it. Re the Joker's various tricks, being the Joker that he is, there's one big one that maybe was but I'm not sure if it was..., re Batman's "decision" and the info he was provided.... . I thought I heard the 2nd time round where Batman was headed (man it zipped by fast...), and yet didn't end up there at, if it was as I thought was heard - that would seem to indicate if was or not a joke (..it makes more sense if it was.. re what decision I would expect and imagine the Batman would most likely have made).
Re that whole biz.., I contend the conclusion of things are not what everyone assumes..., and there's a very easy way of circumvention the Joker could have done here (for later leverage).
Think it quite likely the Joker played a trick on Dent at the hospital - don't think he'd just let Dent blast him ( lest re sim Batman encounter, Joker would have the reason to think Bats wouldn't.. ). There was a number of quick split second, right before the concluding event, cut-aways, such that there's no telling what actually happens at these times. Maybe..., the Joker could have caught the coin in his fist right in mid flight, making it impossible to be concluded a decision.... . That would be a screwy jokelike, plan smashing thing to do.
Not sure re the Dent - scarecrow encounter re the coin thing, which coin he was using to decide fate (whether for real or all in bluff). Think it was indicated later on, with the coin he showed Dawes before getting into a car. In which case, Batman got Dent pegged all wrong during this scene.
Some action things similarly zip by even on a second viewing like how the officers arresting Batman got all strung up. The description of Batsuit improvements flashed by and made it hard for one to regsiter exactly what had been done thus. The cell phone stuff seems a whole bunch of whooie. Some things were totally irrelevant (wasn't any need at all for any >high< altitude breathing apparatus.
The Batman 'retreiving' Dawes on the downside..., again so quick that hard to fanthom how he might have bridged the lead gap she had on him. Some methods used questionable, the manuevering bike cable deal..., not sure how in real life that cabling slinging would physically actually pan out... (check out the Disc. channel tests). Batman catching the Joker, not sure how that could actually be accomplished by propelling a catch-up cable or line (a harpoon like digging in thingamathing on the end of it might work, though painfully so..., ouch). Then again so quick couldn't really tell what happened, device wise.
About the Joker and plans... , seemed like a lot of planning to me, but the plan to be snagged the most highly improbable one of all..., after a series of unpredictable thrills and spills figured it would just happen that way.... . Plot points not clear re Gordon, did he manage infurtration (& how) of the Joker's organization. What's the biz with a supposed deal with corruption, as claimed by Dent?
Did appreciate the overall acting of all better the 2nd time through, and Joker as top notch both times.
There was one real spooky moment bridging the gulf between the worlds of fiction and reality (that is, as re the universe having it's ultimate final say on things..) . Ironically chilling, one line, the one re the Joker expressed that he and the Batman would appear to destined to be fated to tangle with one another forever. ...ikes.
Re that whole biz.., I contend the conclusion of things are not what everyone assumes..., and there's a very easy way of circumvention the Joker could have done here (for later leverage).
Think it quite likely the Joker played a trick on Dent at the hospital - don't think he'd just let Dent blast him ( lest re sim Batman encounter, Joker would have the reason to think Bats wouldn't.. ). There was a number of quick split second, right before the concluding event, cut-aways, such that there's no telling what actually happens at these times. Maybe..., the Joker could have caught the coin in his fist right in mid flight, making it impossible to be concluded a decision.... . That would be a screwy jokelike, plan smashing thing to do.
Not sure re the Dent - scarecrow encounter re the coin thing, which coin he was using to decide fate (whether for real or all in bluff). Think it was indicated later on, with the coin he showed Dawes before getting into a car. In which case, Batman got Dent pegged all wrong during this scene.
Some action things similarly zip by even on a second viewing like how the officers arresting Batman got all strung up. The description of Batsuit improvements flashed by and made it hard for one to regsiter exactly what had been done thus. The cell phone stuff seems a whole bunch of whooie. Some things were totally irrelevant (wasn't any need at all for any >high< altitude breathing apparatus.
The Batman 'retreiving' Dawes on the downside..., again so quick that hard to fanthom how he might have bridged the lead gap she had on him. Some methods used questionable, the manuevering bike cable deal..., not sure how in real life that cabling slinging would physically actually pan out... (check out the Disc. channel tests). Batman catching the Joker, not sure how that could actually be accomplished by propelling a catch-up cable or line (a harpoon like digging in thingamathing on the end of it might work, though painfully so..., ouch). Then again so quick couldn't really tell what happened, device wise.
About the Joker and plans... , seemed like a lot of planning to me, but the plan to be snagged the most highly improbable one of all..., after a series of unpredictable thrills and spills figured it would just happen that way.... . Plot points not clear re Gordon, did he manage infurtration (& how) of the Joker's organization. What's the biz with a supposed deal with corruption, as claimed by Dent?
Did appreciate the overall acting of all better the 2nd time through, and Joker as top notch both times.
There was one real spooky moment bridging the gulf between the worlds of fiction and reality (that is, as re the universe having it's ultimate final say on things..) . Ironically chilling, one line, the one re the Joker expressed that he and the Batman would appear to destined to be fated to tangle with one another forever. ...ikes.
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